What Is The Real Time On Mars
Are Those Distant Hubble Images As Distant As They Say?
by Don Carr

16 August, 2000

The intuitive answer is that it is the same as UTC, and if I read the NASA site correctly they timed the deployment of the heat shield and parachutes on the lost missions by using UTC. My question is, does UTC hold good at Mars, or does Martian standard time apply? You will retort that the Principle of Simultaneity requires this to be so.

My answer is I don't believe that UTC or the Principle hold at Mars.

When the Apollo astronauts journeyed to the moon, they returned having recorded times for their journey two and a bit seconds longer than the elapsed time here on Earth. If this shift of time was consistent they were one and a bit seconds ahead of the Earth and UTC whilst on the Moon. Therefore lunar standard time is one and a bit seconds different to UTC. I wrote to NASA about the effect on the Astronauts and received the reply "That seems to be about right, but they should have returned younger".


The Physicists of Planet Earth will remind me that it takes precisely the same time for light or a radio signal to travel to the Moon, so that will explain it. Not so. I have made quite extensive investigation into the nature of Radio Transmission, and in doing so as a Radio Amateur; I had to take particular notice of Frequency - a time measurement. When you buy or describe your current computer, you will make use of exactly the same units - Megahertz. This is a measurement of Time. BUT WHAT business do you have using time measurement to describe Radio or Electronics, both a subset of Electromagnetic radiation, known to Physicists as "light"? Look up the dimensional definition of light. There are two units of displacement (S), and one unit of force (F). TIME is omitted from the definition. Light cannot within the restriction of its dimensions be described using Terahertz or Nanometres.


If light is improperly studied as a third dimensional entity, velocity applies. If however TIME is included in the definition, light becomes a fourth dimensional entity just like Gravity. (If TIME is admitted as a four-dimensional entity, then light becomes a seventh dimensional entity, just like the mathematicians require it to be to construct a universe). No one ever speaks about the velocity of Gravity; it's a fourth dimensional entity, so also is electromagnetic radiation, which includes LIGHT.

As a fourth dimension entity light has no Velocity. Some old Geezers made a mistake 300 years ago. The entity "C" is still a very important Physical entity, but in its inverse form. Where its units "Seconds per Metre" may be applied to estimate Time differences between sites.

The two-second delay in journeying to and from the Moon is therefore not well explained by reference to the Velocity of Light.

This may also be applied to Mars, at closest approach Mars is about six minutes difference in UTC, and maybe it increases to more than twenty minutes in opposition. Radar and transponder signal will confirm this. We Earthlings have therefore assumed without proof that Martians obey our standards of Time. I don't think that they do, when a body orbits about another, there is synchronization to the larger body, but with an offset as demonstrated at the Moon. A return trip to Mars may entail a time shift of twelve minutes.

Mars in my opinion behaves as a synchronized body orbiting the Sun, and synchronizes its time, just as Earth does to that larger body, we have Earth eight minutes separation from Sol, and Mars is about 14 minutes from Sol. Albert Einstein would have liked to play with these measurements as he predicted that as Gravity increases near a body, then time also increases.

This mechanism suggests to me that just as there are centers of Gravity, there are also centers of Time. When in orbit about a centre, time synchronizes with that centre. Mars does not orbit Earth, thus it is not synchronized, and doesn't obey UTC convention.

Where NASA can help, they have the data on the Apollo missions to verify the time shift to the Moon.

They also have a very nice orbiting clock around Mars, the Mars orbiter satellite. If the times of origin at Mars, the times of transit from Mars to Earth, and the received time at Earth are analyzed, then the Martian Offset would be exposed, and one possible reason for the loss of their missions could be revealed. It is not Metric to Imperial conversion.

Albert would be quite upset with me, I believe much of what he wrote; however C is not the velocity of light, and is nowhere constant. He should have used relativity to correct his statement concerning the Velocity of light.

The velocity "C" is involved in electronic transmission line theory, and in various media is subject to a "Correction Factor". Look up a table of velocity factors for coaxial cables. Thus if "C" exhibits the characteristics of a function in one reference frame (Coaxial cable velocity) then it is a function in all frames of reference, and a constant it is NOT.

I don't like to use a velocity for light, but suggest instead that the value 1/C is a much more meaningful measurement, it is the distribution of Time throughout the universe. In the vicinity of Earth it has a value of 3.367 e 9 seconds per meter. This is sufficient to give a time separation from here to the Moon of 1.25 seconds. This value agrees nicely with Mars separations. In fact it may be applied to all measurements calculated by reference to the incorrect "Velocity of Light", it is simply the inverse function applying its units correctly.

In passing, the distribution of Time throughout the universe is also not a constant; it increases in the presence of gravity near a body (A. Einstein). I speculate that it is very low between Solar systems, and between Galaxies, Deep Space travel may not take as long as we are lead to believe!

TIME is asynchronous!

What is the real time on Mars?

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